Tom Towers might be a pretty self-centred guy, to the point where he talks about himself in the third person just so that he can expand his personable vocabulary beyond me, myself, and I, but sometimes he likes to talk to other people as well. On these rare occasions, the people involved are pretty damn awesome, and Joost Van Dongen just so happens to be one a pretty damn awesome person. You can read Tom Towers' utterly fascinating discourse with Joost Van Dongen here, as mentioned on Game Under Podcast Episode 4.